Posted by sugar sweet
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
omg this is outrageous and disgusting! if anyone who reads my comments knows i dont take kindly to ppl wasting NHS money that should be used for ppl with REAL AND SERIOUS HEALTH PROBLEMS! if they were worried about their new husbands knowing that they are not a virgin they they shouldnt have slept with someone out of marraige if thats what they belive! how immoral and deceiptful and once again all in the name of religion! pathetic
Posted 30/07/2010 14:16:26
Posted by Danio18
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
Religion is pointless
Posted 30/07/2010 15:37:02
Posted by Mozzmo
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
No offence, but I'm pretty sure that most of the above comments are (basically) casual racism. If it is such a waste of taxpayers money and such a pointless operation, why even perform it? And calling not following the regulations of a religion immoral and deceitful and later stating that you believe religion is pathetic makes no sense. I can't believe this country...
Posted 30/07/2010 22:11:29
Posted by sugar sweet
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
moxxmo were entitled to an opinion were not the ones performing it are we! and the comment about religion being pathetic was made by someone different i still stand by my comment, if they didnt want their future husbands to be ashamed of them then they shouldnt have had pre- marital sex and to marry someone and lie about something so serious is deceiptful whether your religious or not! agree with lily-grace how the hell are we being racist i ask you?? racism is to do with the colour of someones skin look it up in the dictionary anyone of any race can be muslim! and its not even about being muslim its about wasting nhs money on a procedure which is not life threatening but for vanity or to cover up someones infidelity!
Posted 02/08/2010 09:27:38
Posted by sugar sweet
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
i meant promiscuity rather than infedelity
Posted 02/08/2010 09:50:07
Posted by life is so hard
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
what is with the deal with everyone hating the muslims lately, i am a british born muslim girl who as payed her tax for 15years now and it is really upsetting me the hatred against muslims. though i am a brirish muslim it gives a sense of not belonging. what about the thousand of pounds spen on abortions??? and i am sure there is a lot of christains, cathlics and jews that do it too.
Posted 02/08/2010 15:13:42
Posted by life is so hard
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
PS this has been performed 116 times in five years... the rest was done privately....
Posted 02/08/2010 15:27:34
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
this is nothing to do with hating muslims, it is the fact that these women are getting cosmetic surgery on the NHS because they are muslims. how dare you compare abortion with this rubbish.
abortions not only deal with unwanted pregnancies, they help rape victims, and also give parents to option if their child is disabled and wouldnt have a good quality of life!
well done for paying your taxes, but if paying taxes doesnt entitle everybody to cosmetic surgery on the NHS then it shouldnt be done on religious grounds. Catholics arent supposed to have sex before marriage, but i bet a Catholic woman wouldnt get it done for free!
the muslim religion is getting such a hard time lately because people such as the women discussed in the article abuse the fact they are muslims to get ahead in society. religion is a belief, not a necessity!
Posted 02/08/2010 15:37:04
Posted by life is so hard
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
i ams sorry i bought abortion in to it, it is not my intention to upset people. must of these women do it because of culture and not because of religion. also we do not know these gilrs circumcises. i have heard loads of stories where there is honour killings and very bad things happening to girls which upset me and a totally disagree with but this is culture and not religion. i just want people to relise this and not put down the religin... i am no virgin and i am with an english bloke and i am one of the normal ones with a a great family behind me supporting me. i hust want people to stop criticising religion and start criticising culture
Posted 02/08/2010 15:57:48
Posted by life is so hard
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
opps it was meant to read circumstances and not circumcises
Posted 02/08/2010 16:04:16
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
i am happy that you are able to live the life you like and be a muslim, that is great for you. what i am trying to say is that these women getting cosmetic surgery on the nhs on religious grounds is wrong, and they are simply abusing the system. what did they do before cosmetic surgery was even possible?
it is just infuriating that there are people who genuinely need the NHS to fund medical treatment and cannot get it, yet these 'muslims' are getting cosmetic surgery. if they were true to their beliefs then they wouldnt have had sex before marriage anyway, so they are muslim when it benefits them. this is wrong, and shouldnt be allowed, not just for muslims, for anybody.
Posted 02/08/2010 16:41:05
Posted by Mozzmo
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
Please note that I mentioned that no offence was intended in my post. I was simply expressing my own opinion, not questioning yours. At no point did I bring Islam into this although you don't seem to be able to leave it alone. Although abortions are useful to rape victims and people with disabled children, the majority are given to teenagers who have unprotected sex, How much more promiscuous or irresponsible is that than having sex before marriage? It's just a mistake. Everyone makes them. To some people, religion is a necessity, it is all that they know. Suggesting that being a Muslim helps them get ahead in society and that being a Catholic wouldn't is casual racism in my opinion. FYI, there is no 'x' in Mozzmo.
Posted 02/08/2010 21:39:21
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
RACISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION
racism [ˈreɪsɪzəm], racialism [ˈreɪʃəˌlɪzəm]
n
1. (Sociology) the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief
racist , racialist n & adj
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
Posted 02/08/2010 21:57:13
Posted by Mozzmo
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
Culture. Holding something agaisnt someone because of their culture is racism. Religion is a part of someones culture. Oh, sorry, are you going to give me the dictonary definition for that also? Racism is also the belief that one race is superior to another. (You forgot that bit)
Posted 02/08/2010 22:20:11
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
You sound exactly the kind of person who would cry racism to get your own way.
See if you still feel the same about this issue if you ever need life saving treatment and dont get it because the NHS cant afford it.
Posted 02/08/2010 22:24:27
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
bottom line is cosmetic surgery on the NHS should be limited to people with medical reasons.
not some so-called 'muslim' who opened her legs, realised it was gonna get her in shit and thought she'd abuse the system!
if these women chose to have sex then they should have to accept the consequences, not use their religion to get surgery for free!
Posted 02/08/2010 22:28:27
Posted by Mozzmo
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
I never said that cosmetic surgery should be performed on NHS for any other than medical reasons, because it quite obiouvsly shouldn't, your religion being irrelevant. But let's be honest, if you were this Muslim woman who had had sex before marriage and were afraid of what your fiancee would think of you, would you take advantage of the system if it were this easy? It's the NHS that needs to be changed.
Posted 02/08/2010 22:42:24
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
if i called myself a 'Muslim' woman i wouldnt have had sex before marriage in the first place. simple as that.
Posted 02/08/2010 22:52:58
Posted by Mozzmo
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
Why do you always put Muslim in quotation marks? And everyone makes mistakes.
Posted 02/08/2010 23:11:11
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
because if these women really believed in their faith they wouldnt have gone against these beliefs, so they arent real Muslims are they??
therefore they are scamming the system, which is wrong, and that again makes them sinners for using their so-called religious beliefs as an excuse!
Posted 02/08/2010 23:29:21
Posted by Mozzmo
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
Temptation. Besides, if you surrender yourself to Allah then I suppose you should be forgiven. How do you know that these women don't spend their entire lives atoning for this sin? They shouldn't have to, but they do. That's just life.
Posted 02/08/2010 23:34:25
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
bottom line is they only request this operation on the NHS because a lot of GPs would be scared to say no in case they cry racism. which is made easier for them by people like you. being a Muslim is a choice. Enough said.
Posted 02/08/2010 23:42:16
Posted by Mozzmo
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
My point is that it shouldn't be an option but it is, so people will take advantage of it. For some it isn't a choice. It's the religion or no family.
Posted 02/08/2010 23:52:02
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
dont have sex before marriage then. simple.
Posted 03/08/2010 01:01:51
Posted by dougie
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
It's just a lie at the very start of a relationship that should be built on trust and honesty.
In the end this procedure has no validity whatsoever.
Posted 03/08/2010 19:10:06
Posted by sugar sweet
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
exactly dougie, some of these posts are completely irrelevant, bottom bottom line is NHS MONEY SHOULDNT BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THOSE WITH SERIOUS HEALTH ISSUES TO FUND SOMEONES DESIGNER FANNY! no matter what skin colour, religion, culture, ethnicity, nationality or age! its just not right, especially when they have brought it on themselves by being promiscuous.
Posted 04/08/2010 15:22:16
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
i strongly agree!!
Posted 04/08/2010 17:05:34
Posted by lil_jo_c
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
I don't really understand the need to do this operation. I didn't bleed when I lost my virginity - not all girls do. Blood on a sheet does not prove you were a virgin before the deed was done. It all seems rather daft to me.
Posted 05/08/2010 13:12:20
Posted by n.s
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
If you are so afraid of not being a virgin on your wedding night that you will put yourself through an operation like this, why sleep with anyone? I don't understand this religion, so maybe I am missing something, but it doesn't make any sense. The argument about everyone making mistakes doesn't work here. If you have been brought up in such a strict envirement regarding what's right and wrong within your religion surely you would be so scared at the outcome
of being found out, that you wouldn't dream of sleeping with
someone before marraige. Maybe girls are seeing this as an
easy fix, that they know they'll get free, so it means they can sleep with as many men as they like. Its all bloody bonkers!
Posted 05/08/2010 15:43:05
Posted by ange76
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
I suppose its ok for the men to **** like rabbits before marriage?
Posted 06/08/2010 11:04:40
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
the men arent getting designer willies on the NHS!
Posted 06/08/2010 12:12:21
Posted by ange76
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
Talk about double standards, why do these women accept these rules which were made up by men to give men every advantage over women then we all end up paying for unecessary and costly operations on the NHS.
Posted 06/08/2010 15:07:41
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
i understand what you mean, but at the end of the day if these women choose to have sex before marriage, they know what the consequences will be if they are found out so unfair as it seems to them they just have to deal with it. if they choose to have the surgery and pay for it themselves then good for them, but to get unnecessary plastic surgery on the NHS is wrong (and by unneccesary i mean not for health reasons or something which they had no control over)
thousands of people have issues with their bodies, me being one of them. pregnancy has caused my stomach to be rather unsightly and it gets me down quite a lot, but i deal with it by covering up. I CHOSE to get pregnant, therefore i deal with the consequences. These women CHOSE to have sex, therefore the same rule should apply to them
Posted 06/08/2010 15:38:51
Posted by Mini Mooooo
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
So would you still stick by this opinion if the conscequence was death? I don't think you realise what the strength of some peoples beliefs will make them do. How many stories have you read in the news recently relating to honour killings? It is not a joke and you really need to step back and think about what you are saying.
I work for the NHS and see state that some of these people are in because they are so scared.
You think its so simple to say dont have sex? Seriously, how can you expect a Muslim girl to be brought up in a Western country but not have the freedom that you or I do. You are very lucky to enjoy independance and choice. If a girl is born into a Muslim family, 9 times out of 10 she will be expected to become a Muslim also. How can you be so naive to think that she wouldnt want to have the same lifestyle as we do? Just because a girl may have had sex once with someone who she believed she cared about, does she deserve to suffer the conscequences? I bet a lot of girls reading this have had one night stands, so who are you to judge?
Besides, these Muslim girls may have broken the skin in other ways, are you saying that they shouldnt be able to have surgery.
You are so quick to give your opinion, try thinking about this from another perspective, or researching this a little further so you can make an educated opinion.
Posted 06/08/2010 16:47:19
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
1. If the girls had broken the skin in other ways then they wouldnt bloody know about it would they?!! So thats a ridiculous comeback.
2. So called 'honour killings' are wrong and in this country are treated as murder, but if that was a consequence of these women having sex then why didnt it put them off?? A lot of muslim women marry young anyway so its not like they're 40 year old virgins!
3. If they lived in a Muslim country then they wouldnt get the surgery so why should they be able to abuse system and use the taxpayers money in this country????
They shouldn't. End of.
Posted 06/08/2010 17:12:41
Posted by jenniferscamblerx
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
everything wee say now a days is racist , wee are all the F****KING same why cant people see that . Im catholic i wouldnt get that surgery so why should a musim women ? . I am still a virgin but thats not the point point is ? that if muslim women want to be muslim dont have sex then go get this done its wrong . For catholic jews christans muslims , whatever ? because at the end of the day , if you love your religon follow the rules dont break them , the nhs isnt a church temple or mosque they cant fix you have broke rules in your religon it isnt fair for this procedure or absaloutly anyone , and the thing about abortion has nothing to do with it catholics dont belive in abortions , but in some cases i do think they are better off
Posted 09/08/2010 02:16:38
Posted by n.s
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
Now I am really confused. If it is true what you are saying
Mini Mooooo about the outcome of not being a virgin on your wedding night means you could actually be murdered,
surely that would be enough to stop anyone from sleeping
around before marriage. As has been pointed out these girls
are not old when they marry, they know the score, just don't do it. As for living in the western world, then its obvious the muslim faith and the western world are not mixing, something has got to give, its getting rediculous. The more
I learn about this faith on these forums from muslim followers I have to add, the more out of touch with the real
world and the more extreme this faith sounds. Anyone
who is murdered in this day and age for not being a virgin
in the name of religion is unbelivable. Instead of harping on
about how peaceful this religion is, maybe some of the
customs should be looked at again in the name of religion.
Posted 09/08/2010 09:10:57
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
at the end of the day it is the National HEALTH Service, the word Religion isnt in the title!
these women are exploiting it and that makes them bad people!
Posted 09/08/2010 09:36:03
Posted by sugar sweet
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
i agree how can a religion that claims to be peaceful kill people in the name of honour etc etc i know ul come back at me saying thats to do with culture but culture and religion are so mixed up and tangled together that its both! if they are so fearful for their lives as you say then why risk having sex out of marraige.
Posted 10/08/2010 16:32:18
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
they are just takin the p**s and if doctors are too scared to say no in case they cry racism.
Posted 10/08/2010 16:38:11
Posted by suebev
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It's about time you Muslim women stopped bowing to the sexist views of your menfolk. By having an op you are just allowing them to rule your lives and continue their backward stance on equality. British women have stood up and been counted in the past to gain the right to vote, and again in the late 60's/70's to gain equality to men. You can do it, after all you'd have the backing of most women and non Muslim men. Fight back!
Posted 11/08/2010 21:58:10
Posted by n.s
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
Too right, it's unblievable that in the 21st century belief's like this are still going strong. What irritates me about all this, is
in others forums on this site muslim women have all stated
how Islam was the first relgion to promote equality for women. (In fact many of them have told us to educate oursleves on the religion to learn more about it, before we can make comments on it which I think is a bit patronising but there you go.) So if that is the case all this stuff about
non virgin's on wedding day's being murdered is a bit of a
contradiction.
So what is it to be, a peace loving faith that treats it's women fairly, equally and respectively? Or a faith that makes young women go through operations to resotre their
virginty because they are so scared of being found out on their wedding night, they fear they may actually be killed?
Posted 12/08/2010 09:15:29
Posted by n.s
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
*respectfully not respectively!
Posted 12/08/2010 09:19:55
Posted by natalou8
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
If giving these Muslim women "designer vaginas" is literally saving their lives so be it, i have no qualms with my money saving lives and we all make mistakes no matter how we were brought up.
I don't necessarily agree with all aspects of that religion and thank God i wasn't born into it, the pressure and stigma these days is beyond.
There are plenty of non muslim women feining depression, marital breakdown and all sorts to get these operations, which i think if it's done based on vanity it's not only pointless (it's not going to last long is it??) but a massive waste of money....
Posted 14/08/2010 00:07:28
Posted by natalou8
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
P.s Is it against Muslim religion to consumate while it's time of the month??? If it's not there's a cheaper alternative right there! Just Saying
Posted 14/08/2010 00:08:54
Posted by allreligonsdiscriminate
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lily grace in case you didn't know WOMAN DO NOT GET ABORTONS ON NHS only in rape and health like indangering the mother OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR FACT!!!!!!.
its not racist its people usin racism to get extra right treatment the cristian religon says beening gay is wrong yet in britian homophia can be ilegal yet sexim in islam (there is it) is okay, sexism is where one sex gets right that the other muslim men don't have to cover up there whole face but eyes yet woman are thats sexist just cause the christian reilgon says gays aren't get married does'nt make it right if non muslins went and covered there faces they would be taken out its not racism it how you are treated better and special compared to others
Posted 19/08/2010 02:37:06
Posted by allreligonsdiscriminate
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
""i hust want people to stop criticising religion and start criticising culture""
yes but curlture is used as an excuse to many muslims mistake culture and poltics with reilgon italy is like the birth for catholics but are all there laws catholic basted NO most islamic countries are run buy men and there ''oppions'' are made into laws which people are made to belivie is muslim reilgon.
also Female genital mutilation is an afician culture trantion doesn't make it okay ever yet ''culture'' belivies even if they discribnate is aloud in britian which many people say multi culture NOT multi racial and religonist.
'''because if these women really believed in their faith they wouldnt have gone against these beliefs, so they arent real Muslims are they??
therefore they are scamming the system, which is wrong, and that again makes them sinners for using their so-called religious beliefs as an excuse!'''' 100% agreed
Posted 19/08/2010 02:55:22
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
errrrm well thats a load of bullshit! who educated you on abortions??
all these underage girls who have abortions without telling a soul, where do u think they get the cash from??
Posted 19/08/2010 11:16:12
Posted by young_lady
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
hey everyone
i just want to say that there is some girls that plays with themselves and that makes them lose there virginity , and they cant tell any body that they didnt slept with a man because people won't believe them , So they dont have a choice just to this operation
what do you all think
Posted 23/09/2010 23:57:28
Posted by n.s
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
Bit of a long shot that one!
Posted 24/09/2010 08:08:58
Posted by Mary123
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
I think she shouldnt have played with herself then if she knew itd get her into trouble.
Why waste money on something of her own doing? Pay for it urself noones going to say anything. U did the crime u pay the fine We need to use nhs funds for more important things like those people who are in life n death situations due to causes beyond their reach like cancer.n if she was raped then she shud b clear from the beginning otherwise not worth staying with a man that doesnt understand.
Posted 19/10/2010 19:47:06
Posted by Mary123
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
I think she shouldnt have played with herself then if she knew itd get her into trouble.
Why waste money on something of her own doing? Pay for it urself noones going to say anything. U did the crime u pay the fine We need to use nhs funds for more important things like those people who are in life n death situations due to causes beyond their reach like cancer.n if she was raped then she shud b clear from the beginning otherwise not worth staying with a man that doesnt understand.
Posted 19/10/2010 19:47:12
Posted by Mary123
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
Y start a marriage on a bed of lies? Marriage is all about honesty n trust from the beginning...
Posted 19/10/2010 19:49:29
Posted by Lee Povey
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
Funny how everyone is banging on about RACISM...what if the real reason a percentage of these 116 women had the opperation done, is due to RAPE?
Try thinking outside of the box for once in your 'celeb-loving, little lives.
Typical bloody UK mindset, makes me sick!
Posted 12/06/2011 18:04:47
Posted by Charm123
RE: Rise in ops to make women 'virgins' again
I am a British Muslim and I disagree with people blaming religion for this. As you said about abortion.... people use it if they have been raped and what not... well what about the women who have been raped and need this procedure done because it will affect there future. I am one of them. I was raped and didn't choose to have sex, but I am soon to get married and have to get this precedure done to protect my honour. And yes I am thinking of getting this procedure done but I believe it is for a good reason. So please don't blame this on religion because It isnt due to that.
And Also plz stop critising muslim who have had sex before marriage. At the end of the day all religions forbid people to have sex before marriage... Just because It has become a norm for other religions does not mean u can just target muslims. If It wasnt such a norm for other religions then this procedure would have deffo been used by them also. Sorry but it had to be said and I apologise if this statement has offended anyone.
Posted 11/11/2011 16:32:20