Posted by FloC
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
mothers = plural of mother
mother's = mother is
jesus christ...
Posted 20/01/2011 22:17:20
Posted by FloC
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
And it's funny that you're writing an article preaching about how bad it is that people are trying to stop immigrants from integrating into british communities, whilst at the same time repeating the fact that the poor british taxpayer is funding the playgroup, encouraging them to be angry and hostile to immigrants.
Posted 20/01/2011 22:21:08
Posted by sugar sweet
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
floc closer arent trying to say that, there basically saying what a slap in the face it is that BRITISH tax payers are paying for a playgroup that BRITISH people cannot use! how backward is that!
i think its right that they are crying discrimination and racism as if it was the other way round and immigrant children were banned from a british play group there would be hell to pay!
Posted 21/01/2011 10:01:54
Posted by Morethan2braincells
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Can you imagine if a little one was turned away for being black? God there would be a right hulabaloo about that, infrigement of equality laws, protests etc etc.
Yet if its a white English child...well thats OK, you can discriminate against them as much as you like....
This country and its 'New' Labour laws makes me sick sometimes.
Posted 21/01/2011 12:08:27
Posted by char char xx
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
why should we pay for a playgroup watt our kids cant go to. but oh no if it was the other way round we would get called racised n stuff but why is it all right for them tol do it . its just teaching the kids watt go there not get communicate with brittish kids witch is un fair really
Posted 21/01/2011 13:44:14
Posted by FloC
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
'floc closer arent trying to say that, there basically saying what a slap in the face it is that BRITISH tax payers are paying for a playgroup that BRITISH people cannot use! how backward is that! '
you kinda just proved my point there...
and how do you claim to know that none of these people pay taxes?
I'm not saying I agree with the idea of there being a racially exclusive playgroup, I absolutely don't, it's stupid, I just don't like the way that this article has been written. It's stuff like this that can 'breed resentment in the community.'
Posted 21/01/2011 18:10:09
Posted by Susie Main
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Turning kids away because they're British .... and expecting taxpayers to cough up? I don't think so! Here's hoping that now this blatant racism is exposed, they'll get their funding removed and be prosecuted for racism.
Posted 22/01/2011 00:02:53
Posted by sarahlions
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Most people have no idea of the difficulties that many immigrant women and children go through in the struggle to not be isolated and excluded. This groups aim is not to exclude British children, only to ensure there is somewhere for these women and children to feel comfortable.
Maybe there is some way they could make the group available to both british and foreign children but we should realise that there are many many playgroups which are inaccessible to foreigners. Maybe they do not exclude them explicitly but things like cultural unawareness, hostile environments and high prices will do the same thing.
The BRITSH taxpayer, as well as the countless NONBRITISH tax payers in this country should be proud to contribute to socially inclusive organisation like this. And don't get so stressed about it. The amount you are personally paying for groups such as this is negligable.
Posted 23/01/2011 12:29:31
Posted by zrev
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Typical of this country. We have to give to these immigrants who shouldn't be here and we are penalised for being British. The people who have made positive comments on here are probably immigrants themselves or have family in the past who were immigrants. We should look after our own first. After all, when do we ever receive help from these countries they flock here from? Could we go there and claim housing benefit, health care and bring our 15 family members here to scrounge too? Things like this make me want to vote BNP
Posted 24/01/2011 14:00:40
Posted by sugar sweet
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
ok i get confused by the whole "british" term because anyone no matter where you come from can be british!
all i meant by my comments are that anytime there is a discrimination row it is always white english british (just to clarify) people that are the discriminators and ethnic minority non englidh british (!) that are being discriminated against!
well that simply isnt true and this is a case of discrimination against a white english british person! made worse by the fact that it is the british government who are paying for the playgroup in the first place! (lets not go into who pays more tax and percentages etc etc) maybe it was a sweeping statement that i made but it such a piss take that people bring their whole fa,ilies over and have more kids just so that they can live off benefits and get a nice cushty council house! we must be such mugs!
fair enough they are trying to make a better life for themselves and i would probably do the same if i were them but england is already full to bursting with not enough jobs or resources to look after the people already here!
i know ive gone off the subject but this is really what it boils down to isnt it, people are angry about the situation, which isnt anyone's fault but the government in both our country and the countries in which people come from where their lives are just simply not worth living so they feel they have to come here in the first place!
Posted 24/01/2011 15:53:24
Posted by FloC
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
zreb, for the record I am white and british so I hardly fit into this statement: 'The people who have made positive comments on here are probably immigrants themselves or have family in the past who were immigrants.'
Not that that should make my opinion any more or less credible, people should be able to think for themselves and not be blinded by idiotic patriotism.
And yes, it's probably true that too many people come into a country which is not that big and already overpopulated, but to be honest if there are economically active people who want to come in and do jobs british people think they are too good for then why not?
You people harping on about how being white and british matters sound awfully like Nick Griffin...
Posted 24/01/2011 20:03:02
Posted by Magpie17
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
I am a mother of two White British Girls, and I am disgusted to hear that this is allowed to go on! I pay my tax every week for this to happen... I think not. Our youngest daughter is autistic and what extra help does she get from OUR government... NOTHING, I am disgusted! Should this be allowed that White British People are discriminated again in our own country. Labour you have alot to answer for.......
Posted 24/01/2011 22:26:31
Posted by n.s
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
I am sorry but I cannot feel sorry for immigrant's feeling isolated in this country. It is their choice to come here, not being able to speak our language etc, so if they feel isolated perhpas they should not have come.
This country bends over backwards for immigrants, the housing, benifits, medical help all costs millions every year. It is not a coincidence that this country is in so much financial trouble, given the fact how many legal and illegal immigrants have now got into this country. We have made a mistake
letting so many people in, and no one will convince me otherwise.
So when British children are denied a right to go into a playgroup because they are not foreign, it is going to make people bloody angry, fact.
This country has turned into a foreign ponces paradise, and we are all now
paying the price.
Posted 25/01/2011 08:31:09
Posted by OMDZ!!
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
I personally think the majority of you are sterotyping and should know better. How can you say all immigrants are scrounging off the system and having loads of kids. I majority of people that i have meet that have come to this country are hard working people that would as FloC said do the jobs that we wouldnt!!! Many are not living in council houses but rather thats 2 or 3 families living in private accomodation. I dont agree with these people being turned back but its happened and i would call it disgusting as said earlier. Our taxes go to a lot worse things, and the majority of closer stories that make us all agree are from british scrounger taking the tax payers money. No governement are going to get it right and zreb i think you need to properly look into what the bnp stand for first as some of their views may digust you. I agree this article is raising resentment in people that i think shouldnt be there! Im british and i pay taxes and im really disappointed in some of these comments but i put it down to ignorance.
Posted 25/01/2011 09:08:48
Posted by zrev
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Ok, so maybe i had a bad day yesterday and vented and wouldn't consider joining the BNP although there are a few of their points I do go along with. Our disabled, Army, police, nurses and all emergency crews should get money BEFORE we consider chucking money at immigrants. The reason they come here is they know we are an easy target to get money. I work full time and have a son who is 9 and struggle and pay taxes not for British people but for these outsiders. I don't want them here. Maybe they will do jobs we don't want to but they undercut our workers on wages. We don't get the help they do financially so we need more money to survive. They can afford do drop money with their extra benefits.
Posted 25/01/2011 09:28:11
Posted by sarahlions
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
It is their choice to come here, not being able to speak our language etc, so if they feel isolated perhpas they should not have come.
This country bends over backwards for immigrants, the housing, benifits, medical help all costs millions every year.
This statement is just untrue. The 'choice' that they have is not what we recognise as a choice. They may have to choose between starvation, homelessness, harrasment, and being isolated in a foreign country where people are hostile to you but at least, in most cases won't harm you. Of course you would choose the second choice but that does not make it any easier. Surely people can find a small amount of compassion in themselves for people in such horrible situations?
And if you think the UK bends over backwards for immigrants you are very mistaken. Many other countries have much higher benefit rates and infact our country has a relatively low influx of migrants compared to other countries. Do some research to see the kind of situations that immigrants in this country have to deal with and you will see that it is not the life of luxury, at the expense of the poor british taxpayer, which you imagine.
Posted 25/01/2011 09:59:17
Posted by Morethan2braincells
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
OK, lets be clear. Immigrants that come over here are not starving or homeless, if they were they wouldn't be able to afford the plane ticket would they.
I know for a fact that the UK does more than any other country in the world for immigrants, which is why a lot of them will travel through several western european cities without intention of stopping there because they want to be here where they will get benefits, the NHS treatment they want , schooling and sometimes a flat to boot!
Sarahlions, its liberal do-gooders such as yourself that are the reason this country is full to bursting point. Fact. Why don't you do some research into conditions that British families live in while they are in temporary accomodation on housing waiting lists, because the government priorities a specific number of immigrant families every year for housing. people who have never contributed to the system are given preferatial treatment as noted in the case above.
Posted 25/01/2011 11:18:01
Posted by sarahlions
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
You think that all immigrants arrive here by plane? probably in first class right, paid for by british tax payers. Immigrants more likely come by boat or some other way, often illegally because they cannot afford an alternative. Those who can afford a plane ticket will probably have had to make sacrifices that you cannot imagine making. I really suggest you actually try and meet some immigrants and hear their stories, or at least read something besides the daily mail. Don't just judge them from a distance.
I can tell you that it would be an extremely rare circumstance in which a flat would be given to an immigrant. And do you think that schooling should not be given to the children of immigrants who are granted residence in this country? Would be a bit unfair to provide schooling for white, native or whatever you want to call them, children and not others don't you think?
Could you please tell me where you got this 'fact', that the UK does more than any other coutnry for immigrants? because I know for a fact that that is not true.
OK, so there are immigrant families who have done nothing to contribute to the system, are you saying there are not british families who are exactly the same?
It is so easy for you to throw out old arguments about 'liberal do-gooders' and the country being 'full to bursting point'. Please do some research.
Posted 25/01/2011 11:38:12
Posted by sarahlions
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
You think that all immigrants arrive here by plane? probably in first class right, paid for by british tax payers. Immigrants more likely come by boat or some other way, often illegally because they cannot afford an alternative. Those who can afford a plane ticket will probably have had to make sacrifices that you cannot imagine making. I really suggest you actually try and meet some immigrants and hear their stories, or at least read something besides the daily mail. Don't just judge them from a distance.
I can tell you that it would be an extremely rare circumstance in which a flat would be given to an immigrant. And do you think that schooling should not be given to the children of immigrants who are granted residence in this country? Would be a bit unfair to provide schooling for white, native or whatever you want to call them, children and not others don't you think?
Could you please tell me where you got this 'fact', that the UK does more than any other coutnry for immigrants? because I know for a fact that that is not true.
OK, so there are immigrant families who have done nothing to contribute to the system, are you saying there are not british families who are exactly the same?
It is so easy for you to throw out old arguments about 'liberal do-gooders' and the country being 'full to bursting point'. Please do some research.
Posted 25/01/2011 11:38:43
Posted by Morethan2braincells
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
I have a BA in social history so I am aware of this country having a liberal and socialist leaning system of governance.
Look.
The whole basis on your argument is that people might smuggle themselves in illegally, (holding on to the bottom of a lorry or some other such method) and I am supposed to be happy about that.
Why? Give me one good reason why I should welcome immigrants into this country please.
I think you'll find that if you go to look at the office for National Statistics you will see an huge, and I mean huge ,increase in the population in the last 8 years in comparison to the services provided such as NHS etc.
Don't patronise me by pretending everything is alright and we should all be living together happily. Some of us live in the real world in areas of London alongside immigrant communities so we are well aware of the problems this is causing.
Its not a colour or a religion issue, its a far more pressing issue of service provision and discrimination in distribution of those public services.
Posted 25/01/2011 11:49:55
Posted by OMDZ!!
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
I honestly can not believe how some of you are justifying your ignorant attitude. Forget statistics and educational background, how about human feelings toward those less fortunate. I think ul find that most immigrants work and dont claim off the government! What u get in benefits anyway is so minimal. Why dont we be angry at the BRITISH politicians last year that had a salary of 90,000 and were still claiming wrongly. This story was about a playschool whose rules ok i do not agree with but all these comments theres some real hatred that i think need to be adjusted. As for the term "them" used so much to group all immigrants the same. Alot of immigrants do speak english as that is what they speak in their native country, so again i do think its ignorance because you are not distinguishing between them ur just generalising. Im 19 and work i havent got a degree YET but im happy with my attitude toward other human beings!
Posted 25/01/2011 12:11:20
Posted by Morethan2braincells
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Oh believe me I am angry at politicians too!
I respect your opinion, I'm sure you're a really nice and kind person. But I don't really see that its about being kind, I think we shall have to agree to disagree on this one!
(Immigration is ,and always has been, a very contentious issue anyway. I think Closer knew it would provoke 'debate' when they published the story. )
Posted 25/01/2011 13:33:12
Posted by sarahlions
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
I don't expect you to be happy about illegal immigration, it is an awful situation. It simply upsets me that people can have so much hatred and so little understanding for people who have led such awful lives.
I know that there is a warped perception that immigrants get a ridiculous amount of money from the government and live a life of luxury at the expense of other other but if people could see, talk to and actually listen to the stories of immigrants, maybe a few would change their minds. And remember that immigrants are not a homogenous group. every immigrant is in a completely different situation. Maybe one came here illegally to work because they cannot get a job at home, for the next it may literally be a life or death situation.
Posted 26/01/2011 02:06:55
Posted by n.s
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
I take all your points on board, but what do suggest the answer is? I am sure if I did as you suggest and speak to some of these people I would feel really sorry for the way they have been treated in their own country. But are we to let more and more into Britain? Who exactly is going to pay for their housing and medical care? There is no way all these people are working and paying for it all themselves. Our national health system is falling apart,
not all due to this situation definately, but can you honestly say it is helping?
I know for a fact there are a lot of eastern europeans being given counil/housing assosiation near houses where I live. Do you think this is right when people born here are given the same advantages? This argument can run and run, and people's opinion's are never going to be the same, and I don't hate these people, but I am bloody worried about the state
of this country and where the resources,benifits or employment alike, for these people is going to come from.
Posted 26/01/2011 15:28:15
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
no f**king wonder people are hostile towards immigrants!!!!
i go out and work, leaving my child at home so these cheeky b**tards can spend the taxes i pay like this! im not racist in any way but these hypocrites should be sent back to where they came from!!!!
Posted 26/01/2011 22:22:22
Posted by usual 1
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
I can understand why this story would people bad tempered... but some of your comment are a bit much...
"We have to give to these immigrants who shouldn't be here and we are penalised for being British. The people who have made positive comments on here are probably immigrants themselves or have family in the past who were immigrants."
I sure you would feel differently if it was up to a "immigrant" doctor to save your life... I know people have recieved life saving surgery & treatment that has been issued by people from differnet races, they may have died without the expertise & knowledge of people who were potentially "immigrants"
Posted 28/01/2011 16:20:45
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
im willing to bet that most of these immigrants who are attending this tax payer funded playgroup for 'foreigners' are claiming off the state!
Posted 30/01/2011 00:38:20
Posted by purple.sarah
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
How does it "free immigrant mothers from "feelings of isolation" " if it isolates them from the community they live in by not letting English families in? They have missed such a valuable opportunity to build bridges. It sounds like the group is doing the opposite of what it was funded for, isolating rather than integrating people, and it should have it's funding pulled.
Posted 30/01/2011 23:33:28
Posted by marchie
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Hi, I am actually an eastern european mother of a 3years old, I 've moved to a small town just before I've had my daughter, and it was really hard to find friends, believe me...I do agree with some of the comments, as I am one of them I know a few "spongers" and I am deeply ashamed of them, even ceased every contact with people with that kind of attittude... i don't have many friends left, i went to a british playgroup with my daughter , and they were very nice, but lets face it, they didn't really embraced me, altough I speak reasonable good english(what i've learned here by self study). I studied management at the college while I was at home with my child and when she was 1.5 years old I went back to work, I went to a place wher there were no foreigners at all(this is what I wanted, I am sick of their ways),I work in an office.
I, as an imigrant mother, find this project utterly outrageous and it actually deprives immigrant mothers of an integration. Women who are not able to learn the language of a country they chose to live in should go home nad not to complain of isolation. There are plenty of opportunities to learn english for FREE, and I know that they don't use this. Also having a mixed group would give them the chance to speak english.
However, please let me remind you that there are many educated immigrants as doctors and lawyers, managers ect., who are very beneficial to this country and want to be part of this society, as there are many british who are burden on this society.
Posted 01/02/2011 14:46:43
Posted by pwincessjane
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Never would i consider myself to be British, as from the days of The Empire, any country we colonised could be classed as British, I am indigenous English, therefore white. It is horrendous that we are discriminated against in our own country, No more immigrants please, this is a tiny Island, time to look after our own race of people, No other country would ever give handouts like we do. No benefits for unemployed people who breed for an income and a property, bring back an updated version of 'the workhouse' instead of encouraging, its time to discourage' We do not need imported qualified people, We should be growing our own.
Posted 01/02/2011 20:41:48
Posted by pwincessjane
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Never would i consider myself to be British, as from the days of The Empire, any country we colonised could be classed as British, I am indigenous English, therefore white. It is horrendous that we are discriminated against in our own country, No more immigrants please, this is a tiny Island, time to look after our own race of people, No other country would ever give handouts like we do. No benefits for unemployed people who breed for an income and a property, bring back an updated version of 'the workhouse' instead of encouraging, its time to discourage' We do not need imported qualified people, We should be growing our own.
Posted 01/02/2011 20:41:52
Posted by waste away
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
such a lot of hate and embitterment here, why cant we all knuckle down and help one another, the world belongs to no one and no one should claim it as their own, When some of us leave this country we hope we will be treated well by the locals there, what is the difference? Perhaps a way could be found to enable immigrant people to pay something back when they get on their feet again. Treat others as you would be treated if the shoe was on the other foot.
Posted 03/02/2011 13:10:22
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
marchie - you are obviously one of the decent people who doesnt come here looking for a free ride, however there are many who give all immigrants a bad name, and it is nothing to do with skin colour, religion or anything else, it is simply that the govt make it hard for the people who were born here and have paid taxes to claim benefits and get help, yet if you come through customs with a foreign passport they throw money and house keys at you. if anyone should be blamed for the hostility of the english people toward immigrants, it should be the d**ks that are running the country. I know nick griffin is racist and that is wrong, but he has one good point - this country is full!
Posted 03/02/2011 17:08:49
Posted by marchie
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
why nobody complains about the hundred thousands of english people living around the world, it is all right for british to move to france, to spain, thailand, greece and all over the world.... even to the little town I 've come from.. ?
And believe me those countries have their own immigration problems- we have loads of chinese and vietnamese people living there, creating their own sub-society in towns and cities. We've learned to live with them, it is a form of symbiotism between asian and european people, not to mention a completely different gypsy culture in eastern europe. Also I am member of a ntional minority in my home country and I've experienced enough hatred towards my own.
I am not saying it is right what is happening, but immigrants did not write the law, and they don't come any more, lot of them have left this country already. Also the employers who give work to people who don't speak the language... (funny enough it is very convenient for them as these will not complain and haven't got a clue about employment law)
But I garee there should be better controll over this, and not just for immigrants but for native people. I am paying my taxtes, always have been, and all of my friend and acquaintances do.
So Lily-Grace, let me please correct you, the goverment makes life harder for working people, no matter where they come from...as I have the same problem now as any of you- childcare cost I can't afford, ....low salary, rising fuel prices, high council tax.
I do love living in england (live in a small town on welsh border, very charming), and I am really sorry for what has happened in the playgroup and I seriously hope this attitude will change- on both side for the good.
Posted 04/02/2011 11:50:50
Posted by Kimbolyn
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Makes me wonder how the children will cope upon starting primary school if segregated as pre schoolers. Such a shame as children aren't racist and may talk about "the girl with brown skin" just as a description but in this day and age they'd cry racism!
The children will have to mix at some point unless home educated but how can the parents do that to the satisfaction of the LEA if they want to keep their own language rather than English.
I think the mothers at this pre school should be polled as to whether they want integration.... If not, pull their funding and set up a "proper" playschool for all. The parents can go have a cuppa and chat in native tongue while their sweet innocent children play together.
Posted 07/02/2011 09:41:32
Posted by Kimbolyn
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Makes me wonder how the children will cope upon starting primary school if segregated as pre schoolers. Such a shame as children aren't racist and may talk about "the girl with brown skin" just as a description but in this day and age they'd cry racism!
The children will have to mix at some point unless home educated but how can the parents do that to the satisfaction of the LEA if they want to keep their own language rather than English.
I think the mothers at this pre school should be polled as to whether they want integration.... If not, pull their funding and set up a "proper" playschool for all. The parents can go have a cuppa and chat in native tongue while their sweet innocent children play together.
Posted 07/02/2011 09:42:59
Posted by Kimbolyn
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
I do assume though, as this pre school is at St Neots in Cambs that the children there will be East European rather than black.
Most immigrants to the St Neots area come to work on the land. Sadly many of the locals are too lazy for a hard days work as was shown on a TV program presented by Evan Davies featuring the Wisbech area. It's all East Anglia. The immigrants are mainly hard workers except for some of the Polish treated badly by the gangmasters.
I actually think these ladies would like to mix snd surely "Making Links" means with the community??
The people in the wrong here are the twerps running it.
Posted 07/02/2011 09:51:08
Posted by Lily-Grace
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
like i said marchie, you are one of the decent ones who doesnt just come to this country for an easy ride. other countries dont make it so easy, some of my family have emigrated to australia, and they were not permitted to just move there and claim off the state, they had to find jobs before they went and have money in the bank to cover themselves. i am in no way racist, i have a mixed race niece and her family work their backsides off, her nana in particular for the NHS and good on them, but when people watch things such as 'Saints and Scroungers' on the BBC and see foreigners ripping off the system under several different names it is hardly suprising they are hostile!
Posted 07/02/2011 19:11:38
Posted by Threads
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
The children need to integrate, so that they are 'at home' in the country that their parents decided to settle in. Having a 'Non British' playgroup makes no sense. If you come to Britain to live, learn the language and the customs, this is integration. This is how you make friends. You DON'T learn the live in the country of YOUR choice by hiding away from its indigenous people, you don't learn the language, the accepted behaviour, the customs.
My brother emigrated to Australia, and like someone else has mentioned he had to both have a job to go to and have cash in the bank with which to support his family - no handouts for him. Another brother has retired to Spain with his Spanish wife, he had to have money in the bank with which to support them AND he is subjected to a 'wealth tax' as he has a pension from the UK along with his savings.
My Aunt and Uncle emigrated to the USA - they too had to have a job to go to and money in the bank.
Posted 08/02/2011 18:16:35
Posted by Threads
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
All of these people had to fund their own lives. The UK expects the UK to fund immigrants lives until they can fund it themselves - if ever. Some immigrants work very hard, others do not, but rely on the state and cheat the system for as long as possible. The British.Scottish, Irish and Welsh are exactly the same - there are those who work hard and have little, and it appears that there are also those who do little and receive lots.
Immigrants disappear off to their home countries for holidays - whilst claiming benefits here. I can't afford to go on holiday - I work 40+ hours a week and every penny is used to fund my life. I can't afford a new car, designer clothes and foreign holidays, but my immigrant neighbours can and do; this is first hand experience and it upsets me - whilst I go out to work in a morning, my immigrant neighbours are in bed. Whilst I save hard for a long weekend at the seaside, my immigrant neighbours are packing for a month in Slovenia....the male of this couple speaks reasonable English, the female simply smiles - not a word of English and they have been here for 6 years.....
There are good and bad in all, however I think that the term 'when in Rome' applies more today than it did previously; if we do something to exclude someone who is not British, then we are racist and prosecuted, yet when the boot is on the other foot, nothing is done.
Racism has been reversed in the UK - the indigenous species is now the one that is subjected to racism by 'immigrants' - perhaps Mr Griffin has a point after all, and not a BNP point, but a human point.
Posted 08/02/2011 18:16:50
Posted by n.s
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Can anyone really disagree with the above comments of Threads? I think every point she has made is valid. I would be interested to know of other countries which would allow British people in to live with no money to support themselves. That would then let us use their benifit system and house us? So please can anyone who has stated there are other countries that would please tell me which ones. I have also asked the question how can this country afford to fund, educate, house,
employ, and give medical help the thousands of immigrants we have, and no one has answered that either. I know about their human rights and can imagine why they would want to leave their countries, but please tell me how can this country fund them.
Posted 09/02/2011 09:01:40
Posted by LiLy333
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Threads, maybe your neighbours just have a better paid job than you? And maybe they are in bed in the morning because they have been working all night? There can be plenty of explanations besides benefits(and nobody has enough benefits to afford designer clothes)
When they go to Slovenia they probably go to visit their family - so, they don't pay for food and accomodation. Everything is not as good as it seems.
My foreign neigbours share a house for 2 families, where evebody works..So, I have quite different example before my eyes.
This article is simply provocative. The playgroup was created FOR emigrants, not BY them(I guess Roger Owens is definitely not polish or lithuanian). But I do agree that their rules are really stupid. But also we have to agree that this is an exception rather than a rule.
I myself have not heard of a playgroup for foreigners in my area. And the playgroups I visit with my son have a rather low percentage of emigrants(if any), though I hear foreign languages on the street every day. So, I think it was a good idea to create a playgroup like that. Just really upsets me that they desided to bann english children..
Posted 29/03/2011 20:35:05
Posted by pwincessjane
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
Agree totally with Threads, we indigenous English are being threatened with extinction, it is creeping in, via projects like anti english nurseries, that is only one reported case, i worked at a project where polish women and their children, did not want to come to sessions for play, food chat etc, they spoke only amongst themselves in Polish, and the 'powers that be' created them their own sessions. In a deprived area, these people arrive , have not contributed to our taxes etc, yet reap all the benefits, whilst creating their own closed community. It is'nt a matter of racism , they should not be able to benefit MORE than the average working , retired, disabled................indigenous people who are funding them, its sickening.
Posted 29/03/2011 21:25:45
Posted by EmmJ
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
These comments are disgusting.
Why shouldn't there be a nursery for children of different ethnic backgrounds?
Who says that the families of these children are not tax payers?
There are many benefits to this nursery:
-English could possible be a second language to these children and therefore need to be taught at a different pace to children with English as a first language
-The mothers' of these children may not be confident with their own use of the English language and may feel isolated in their communities so at least they have a place here to socialise with others in similar situations.
-Different cultures have different customs and what is extremely rude in one country could easily be perfectly acceptable in another. Here the children can be taught about British culture without being automatically segregated by their peers.
Before the comments start with 'They should speak English' Answer this question honestly- if you were to move to another country would you know the language fluently before going there?
I would also like to point out that I am British and come from a very long line of British people.
The World is a big place. Surely, as human beings, we have the right to travel and live where we choose to?
Posted 07/06/2011 19:05:11
Posted by StephAB
RE: Turned away from playgroup for being British
I've read every comment here, and here are my two cents;
Every tax payer (and indeed those who are not paying tax) is eligible to use our hospitals and healthcare system, once registered. Correct?
So why shouldn't every tax payer be able to use this nursery?
I think the point that most of you are missing, is that it isn't necessarily the case that these immigrants are not paying taxes; they probably are, if they are here legitimately, and as such should enjoy use of a nursery for their children.
That said, 'indigenous' English residents should also be able to make use of the nursery, from a purely legal standpoint (if we are looking at this clinically, through the avenue of tax-paying).
I agree that immigrants need somewhere to feel safe in an environment which perhaps feels hostile to them, but as the nursery is funded to aid in integration of the children and parents into our culture, this nursery should not be the place to hide.
All this is doing is encouraging hatred from the English (Or British... But that is open to debate) towards immigrants, and vice versa; the completely diametrically opposed outcome.
(And yes, while I may sound fairly tolerant up there, I am not a fan of immigration, and I am deeply saddened that native English people are quickly becoming the minority in this country. I personally think we should be significantly more strict on immigration law, though we should not close our doors entirely.)
Posted 01/07/2012 05:50:25